Gay Adoption Is "A Form Of Child Abuse"

[Hotrod Hannigan]

As Right Wing Watch is reporting, the American Family
Association evangelist sounded off on a controversial study
about gay parenting, which claimed to find disadvantages for
children raised by same-sex parents. Fischer spoke about the
study on his "Focal Point" talk show, labeling adoption by same-
sex couples as "a form of child abuse."

Of course, Fischer didn't stop there, making a point to condemn
gay sex, too. "The sex that's involved in homosexual behavior --
it's unnatural, it is immoral and it is unhealthy," he
proclaimed. "We know that it puts the human body to uses for
which it was not designed. Whether you believe in evolution of
creation, we can all say, look, the human body was not designed
to be used that way; it just wasn't."

He eventually concludes, "The bottom line, ladies and gentlemen,
is to put kids in this environment -- it's a form of sexual
abuse all its own. To adopt kids into a same-sex environment is
a form of child abuse."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/14/bryan-fischer-gay-
adoption-child-abuse_n_1597226.html

[Ubiquitous]

Post by Hotrod Hannigan
As Right Wing Watch is reporting, the American Family
Association evangelist sounded off on a controversial study
about gay parenting, which claimed to find disadvantages for
children raised by same-sex parents. Fischer spoke about the
study on his "Focal Point" talk show, labeling adoption by same-
sex couples as "a form of child abuse."

And you posted this off-topic article here because?

[unknown]

On 15 Jun 2012 05:51:04 -0000, "Hotrod Hannigan" <***@zoom.com> wrote:

Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

[Barry OGrady]

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!

[unknown]

On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:43:29 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

How would you know? Your parents were gay?

Self righteous religious prigs take it upon themselves to indoctrinate
children into the dogma and doctrine of myths and legends about a
being no one has ever seen, who supposedly is responsible for
everything. This mythical being, whilst possessing unimaginable power
and wholesomeness, basks in the adoration of Its subjects; if the
requisite adoration isn't forthcoming the being roasts the subject in
hell - then we praise its mercy and justice.

The being is an asinine bigot themselves and gives us a lot of do's
and don't's, many of which make no sense. The self righteous latch
on to a few of their favorite ones, and justify their own behavior in
the context of some being they invented. Wars are fought to glorify
the one who must be obeyed, children are maimed and killed, people are
tortured.

Yet we blithely go on accepting this stupid parental "right" to
inculcate dependent undeveloped minds with a mythical being's bigotry
and that isn't child abuse of the first order?

[Barry OGrady]

Post by unknown
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:43:29 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

How would you know? Your parents were gay?
Self righteous religious prigs take it upon themselves to indoctrinate
children into the dogma and doctrine of myths and legends about a
being no one has ever seen, who supposedly is responsible for
everything. This mythical being, whilst possessing unimaginable power
and wholesomeness, basks in the adoration of Its subjects; if the
requisite adoration isn't forthcoming the being roasts the subject in
hell - then we praise its mercy and justice.
The being is an asinine bigot themselves and gives us a lot of do's
and don't's, many of which make no sense. The self righteous latch
on to a few of their favorite ones, and justify their own behavior in
the context of some being they invented. Wars are fought to glorify
the one who must be obeyed, children are maimed and killed, people are
tortured.
Yet we blithely go on accepting this stupid parental "right" to
inculcate dependent undeveloped minds with a mythical being's bigotry
and that isn't child abuse of the first order?

It is child abuse possibly equal to gay adoption.

=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!

[unknown]

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:44:43 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:43:29 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

How would you know? Your parents were gay?
Self righteous religious prigs take it upon themselves to indoctrinate
children into the dogma and doctrine of myths and legends about a
being no one has ever seen, who supposedly is responsible for
everything. This mythical being, whilst possessing unimaginable power
and wholesomeness, basks in the adoration of Its subjects; if the
requisite adoration isn't forthcoming the being roasts the subject in
hell - then we praise its mercy and justice.
The being is an asinine bigot themselves and gives us a lot of do's
and don't's, many of which make no sense. The self righteous latch
on to a few of their favorite ones, and justify their own behavior in
the context of some being they invented. Wars are fought to glorify
the one who must be obeyed, children are maimed and killed, people are
tortured.
Yet we blithely go on accepting this stupid parental "right" to
inculcate dependent undeveloped minds with a mythical being's bigotry
and that isn't child abuse of the first order?

It is child abuse possibly equal to gay adoption.

I can't help believing that religion is responsible for the anti gay
bigotry that is so prevalent. While I may not understand
homosexuality personally, I am empathetic and compassionate; and would
deny no one the happiness that I have, simply because I don't
understand what "floats their boat." Give them the benefit of the
doubt and move on - it doesn't concern me - but bigotry and injustice
do concern me.

God is invented to justify the invention of religion to justify
bigotry.

[Barry OGrady]

Post by unknown
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:44:43 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:43:29 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

How would you know? Your parents were gay?
Self righteous religious prigs take it upon themselves to indoctrinate
children into the dogma and doctrine of myths and legends about a
being no one has ever seen, who supposedly is responsible for
everything. This mythical being, whilst possessing unimaginable power
and wholesomeness, basks in the adoration of Its subjects; if the
requisite adoration isn't forthcoming the being roasts the subject in
hell - then we praise its mercy and justice.
The being is an asinine bigot themselves and gives us a lot of do's
and don't's, many of which make no sense. The self righteous latch
on to a few of their favorite ones, and justify their own behavior in
the context of some being they invented. Wars are fought to glorify
the one who must be obeyed, children are maimed and killed, people are
tortured.
Yet we blithely go on accepting this stupid parental "right" to
inculcate dependent undeveloped minds with a mythical being's bigotry
and that isn't child abuse of the first order?

It is child abuse possibly equal to gay adoption.

I can't help believing that religion is responsible for the anti gay
bigotry that is so prevalent. While I may not understand
homosexuality personally, I am empathetic and compassionate; and would
deny no one the happiness that I have, simply because I don't
understand what "floats their boat." Give them the benefit of the
doubt and move on - it doesn't concern me - but bigotry and injustice
do concern me.
God is invented to justify the invention of religion to justify
bigotry.

I can't disagree with you but gay adoption is unfair on the children.
Can you imagine the taunts they must get at school?

=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!

[unknown]

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:52:41 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:44:43 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:43:29 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

How would you know? Your parents were gay?
Self righteous religious prigs take it upon themselves to indoctrinate
children into the dogma and doctrine of myths and legends about a
being no one has ever seen, who supposedly is responsible for
everything. This mythical being, whilst possessing unimaginable power
and wholesomeness, basks in the adoration of Its subjects; if the
requisite adoration isn't forthcoming the being roasts the subject in
hell - then we praise its mercy and justice.
The being is an asinine bigot themselves and gives us a lot of do's
and don't's, many of which make no sense. The self righteous latch
on to a few of their favorite ones, and justify their own behavior in
the context of some being they invented. Wars are fought to glorify
the one who must be obeyed, children are maimed and killed, people are
tortured.
Yet we blithely go on accepting this stupid parental "right" to
inculcate dependent undeveloped minds with a mythical being's bigotry
and that isn't child abuse of the first order?

It is child abuse possibly equal to gay adoption.

I can't help believing that religion is responsible for the anti gay
bigotry that is so prevalent. While I may not understand
homosexuality personally, I am empathetic and compassionate; and would
deny no one the happiness that I have, simply because I don't
understand what "floats their boat." Give them the benefit of the
doubt and move on - it doesn't concern me - but bigotry and injustice
do concern me.
God is invented to justify the invention of religion to justify
bigotry.

I can't disagree with you but gay adoption is unfair on the children.
Can you imagine the taunts they must get at school?

I can, being a nerd and having gone to a jock high school in the
60's... But I think one has to look at all things. Weigh the support
of two loving committed parents against whatever taunting some less
enlightened individuals may try to use. In balance the child might be
more understanding and compassionate as a result.

Or better that then two parents who hate each other's guts and fight
constantly. It is all a matter of context. Too many variables to
make one absolute statement and expect it to hold in all cases.

[Barry OGrady]

Post by unknown
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:52:41 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:44:43 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:43:29 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

How would you know? Your parents were gay?
Self righteous religious prigs take it upon themselves to indoctrinate
children into the dogma and doctrine of myths and legends about a
being no one has ever seen, who supposedly is responsible for
everything. This mythical being, whilst possessing unimaginable power
and wholesomeness, basks in the adoration of Its subjects; if the
requisite adoration isn't forthcoming the being roasts the subject in
hell - then we praise its mercy and justice.
The being is an asinine bigot themselves and gives us a lot of do's
and don't's, many of which make no sense. The self righteous latch
on to a few of their favorite ones, and justify their own behavior in
the context of some being they invented. Wars are fought to glorify
the one who must be obeyed, children are maimed and killed, people are
tortured.
Yet we blithely go on accepting this stupid parental "right" to
inculcate dependent undeveloped minds with a mythical being's bigotry
and that isn't child abuse of the first order?

It is child abuse possibly equal to gay adoption.

I can't help believing that religion is responsible for the anti gay
bigotry that is so prevalent. While I may not understand
homosexuality personally, I am empathetic and compassionate; and would
deny no one the happiness that I have, simply because I don't
understand what "floats their boat." Give them the benefit of the
doubt and move on - it doesn't concern me - but bigotry and injustice
do concern me.
God is invented to justify the invention of religion to justify
bigotry.

I can't disagree with you but gay adoption is unfair on the children.
Can you imagine the taunts they must get at school?

I can, being a nerd and having gone to a jock high school in the
60's... But I think one has to look at all things. Weigh the support
of two loving committed parents against whatever taunting some less
enlightened individuals may try to use. In balance the child might be
more understanding and compassionate as a result.
Or better that then two parents who hate each other's guts and fight
constantly. It is all a matter of context. Too many variables to
make one absolute statement and expect it to hold in all cases.

The ideal would be to filter out unsuitable people before they
become parents. That can't be done with natural parents but
can be with potential adopters. So we can and should exclude
gay couples automatically.
The rights of children should always outweigh any supposed
rights of gay couples.

=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!

[unknown]

On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:01:31 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:52:41 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:44:43 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:43:29 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

How would you know? Your parents were gay?
Self righteous religious prigs take it upon themselves to indoctrinate
children into the dogma and doctrine of myths and legends about a
being no one has ever seen, who supposedly is responsible for
everything. This mythical being, whilst possessing unimaginable power
and wholesomeness, basks in the adoration of Its subjects; if the
requisite adoration isn't forthcoming the being roasts the subject in
hell - then we praise its mercy and justice.
The being is an asinine bigot themselves and gives us a lot of do's
and don't's, many of which make no sense. The self righteous latch
on to a few of their favorite ones, and justify their own behavior in
the context of some being they invented. Wars are fought to glorify
the one who must be obeyed, children are maimed and killed, people are
tortured.
Yet we blithely go on accepting this stupid parental "right" to
inculcate dependent undeveloped minds with a mythical being's bigotry
and that isn't child abuse of the first order?

It is child abuse possibly equal to gay adoption.

I can't help believing that religion is responsible for the anti gay
bigotry that is so prevalent. While I may not understand
homosexuality personally, I am empathetic and compassionate; and would
deny no one the happiness that I have, simply because I don't
understand what "floats their boat." Give them the benefit of the
doubt and move on - it doesn't concern me - but bigotry and injustice
do concern me.
God is invented to justify the invention of religion to justify
bigotry.

I can't disagree with you but gay adoption is unfair on the children.
Can you imagine the taunts they must get at school?

I can, being a nerd and having gone to a jock high school in the
60's... But I think one has to look at all things. Weigh the support
of two loving committed parents against whatever taunting some less
enlightened individuals may try to use. In balance the child might be
more understanding and compassionate as a result.
Or better that then two parents who hate each other's guts and fight
constantly. It is all a matter of context. Too many variables to
make one absolute statement and expect it to hold in all cases.

The ideal would be to filter out unsuitable people before they
become parents. That can't be done with natural parents but
can be with potential adopters. So we can and should exclude
gay couples automatically.
The rights of children should always outweigh any supposed
rights of gay couples.

You sound like you think gay couples are automatically defective in
some way. No two people are alike. How do you choose what is best ?
Is foster care a better alternative than gay couples adopting? State
or church run orphanages? Where's the unbiased data that supports
this?

If you can prove unsuitability based on gender bias alone, I'd be
interested in seeing your research. Scientific research, that is.

Perhaps we should test all parents?

I think we should breed a particularly nasty ornery strain of cats.
These would be given to couples intending to raise children. In a
years time they have to present a living animal, that purrs
affectionately when held by prospective parents.

Maybe that would be animal cruelty? Better children suffer than cats.

[Barry OGrady]

Post by unknown
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:01:31 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:52:41 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:44:43 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:43:29 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

How would you know? Your parents were gay?
Self righteous religious prigs take it upon themselves to indoctrinate
children into the dogma and doctrine of myths and legends about a
being no one has ever seen, who supposedly is responsible for
everything. This mythical being, whilst possessing unimaginable power
and wholesomeness, basks in the adoration of Its subjects; if the
requisite adoration isn't forthcoming the being roasts the subject in
hell - then we praise its mercy and justice.
The being is an asinine bigot themselves and gives us a lot of do's
and don't's, many of which make no sense. The self righteous latch
on to a few of their favorite ones, and justify their own behavior in
the context of some being they invented. Wars are fought to glorify
the one who must be obeyed, children are maimed and killed, people are
tortured.
Yet we blithely go on accepting this stupid parental "right" to
inculcate dependent undeveloped minds with a mythical being's bigotry
and that isn't child abuse of the first order?

It is child abuse possibly equal to gay adoption.

I can't help believing that religion is responsible for the anti gay
bigotry that is so prevalent. While I may not understand
homosexuality personally, I am empathetic and compassionate; and would
deny no one the happiness that I have, simply because I don't
understand what "floats their boat." Give them the benefit of the
doubt and move on - it doesn't concern me - but bigotry and injustice
do concern me.
God is invented to justify the invention of religion to justify
bigotry.

I can't disagree with you but gay adoption is unfair on the children.
Can you imagine the taunts they must get at school?

I can, being a nerd and having gone to a jock high school in the
60's... But I think one has to look at all things. Weigh the support
of two loving committed parents against whatever taunting some less
enlightened individuals may try to use. In balance the child might be
more understanding and compassionate as a result.
Or better that then two parents who hate each other's guts and fight
constantly. It is all a matter of context. Too many variables to
make one absolute statement and expect it to hold in all cases.

The ideal would be to filter out unsuitable people before they
become parents. That can't be done with natural parents but
can be with potential adopters. So we can and should exclude
gay couples automatically.
The rights of children should always outweigh any supposed
rights of gay couples.

You sound like you think gay couples are automatically defective in
some way. No two people are alike.

Gay couples tend to be, gay.

Post by unknown
How do you choose what is best ?
Is foster care a better alternative than gay couples adopting? State
or church run orphanages? Where's the unbiased data that supports
this?

Are you suggesting it is OK for gay couples to corrupt children
and for children to taunted at school because the alternative
is worse?

Post by unknown
If you can prove unsuitability based on gender bias alone, I'd be
interested in seeing your research. Scientific research, that is.

Gender is not a problem as long as there is one of each.
Should we allow polygamy grou[s to adopt children?
What about cults?

Post by unknown
Perhaps we should test all parents?

Do you think potential parents should require a license?

Post by unknown
I think we should breed a particularly nasty ornery strain of cats.
These would be given to couples intending to raise children. In a
years time they have to present a living animal, that purrs
affectionately when held by prospective parents.

I don't see how that would stop the children being taunted.

Post by unknown
Maybe that would be animal cruelty? Better children suffer than cats.

You have some strange ideas.

=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!

[unknown]

On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 22:43:40 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 10:01:31 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:52:41 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:44:43 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:43:29 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

How would you know? Your parents were gay?
Self righteous religious prigs take it upon themselves to indoctrinate
children into the dogma and doctrine of myths and legends about a
being no one has ever seen, who supposedly is responsible for
everything. This mythical being, whilst possessing unimaginable power
and wholesomeness, basks in the adoration of Its subjects; if the
requisite adoration isn't forthcoming the being roasts the subject in
hell - then we praise its mercy and justice.
The being is an asinine bigot themselves and gives us a lot of do's
and don't's, many of which make no sense. The self righteous latch
on to a few of their favorite ones, and justify their own behavior in
the context of some being they invented. Wars are fought to glorify
the one who must be obeyed, children are maimed and killed, people are
tortured.
Yet we blithely go on accepting this stupid parental "right" to
inculcate dependent undeveloped minds with a mythical being's bigotry
and that isn't child abuse of the first order?

It is child abuse possibly equal to gay adoption.

I can't help believing that religion is responsible for the anti gay
bigotry that is so prevalent. While I may not understand
homosexuality personally, I am empathetic and compassionate; and would
deny no one the happiness that I have, simply because I don't
understand what "floats their boat." Give them the benefit of the
doubt and move on - it doesn't concern me - but bigotry and injustice
do concern me.
God is invented to justify the invention of religion to justify
bigotry.

I can't disagree with you but gay adoption is unfair on the children.
Can you imagine the taunts they must get at school?

I can, being a nerd and having gone to a jock high school in the
60's... But I think one has to look at all things. Weigh the support
of two loving committed parents against whatever taunting some less
enlightened individuals may try to use. In balance the child might be
more understanding and compassionate as a result.
Or better that then two parents who hate each other's guts and fight
constantly. It is all a matter of context. Too many variables to
make one absolute statement and expect it to hold in all cases.

The ideal would be to filter out unsuitable people before they
become parents. That can't be done with natural parents but
can be with potential adopters. So we can and should exclude
gay couples automatically.
The rights of children should always outweigh any supposed
rights of gay couples.

You sound like you think gay couples are automatically defective in
some way. No two people are alike.

Gay couples tend to be, gay.

Duh? Fine grasp of the obvious there....

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
How do you choose what is best ?
Is foster care a better alternative than gay couples adopting? State
or church run orphanages? Where's the unbiased data that supports
this?

Are you suggesting it is OK for gay couples to corrupt children
and for children to taunted at school because the alternative
is worse?

What is corrupt about homosexuality? It is just part of the normal
variability of human animals - like a good many other species of
animal. Nothing to be ashamed of, and hardly "corrupting." It isn't
a contagion.

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
If you can prove unsuitability based on gender bias alone, I'd be
interested in seeing your research. Scientific research, that is.

Gender is not a problem as long as there is one of each.
Should we allow polygamy grou[s to adopt children?

They seem to be in a polygamous relationship to churn out lots of
children according to their god given mandates. They would hardly
have need or desire to adopt.

Post by Barry OGrady
What about cults?

Like Catholics, Jews, Protestants, Christians? Those cults should not
be allowed to have children, much less adopt them IMO.

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Perhaps we should test all parents?

Do you think potential parents should require a license?

Looking at it from a totally unemotional point of view... We want
drivers licensed, cosmeticians, plumbers, electricians, builders,
pilots, taxi drivers, motorcyclists, real estate agents, insurance
companies, investment companies, breweries, teachers, lawyers,
doctors, pharmacists, boat/ship captains, day care providers, etc.
etc. - some folks with some particularly minor easily acquired skill
sets, need licenses to practice their trades.

With that in mind, why would you ask that question? There are
probably more bad than good parents in the world - depending on where
the bar is set. It is a bar I'd want set pretty high given the
consequences of shoddy parenting.

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
I think we should breed a particularly nasty ornery strain of cats.
These would be given to couples intending to raise children. In a
years time they have to present a living animal, that purrs
affectionately when held by prospective parents.

I don't see how that would stop the children being taunted.

I don't think you care if children are "taunted." That is just
something you found that seems to deflect attention away from your own
anti homosexual agenda. "DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN!!!" The rallying cry
for lots of despicable hidden agendas. Give the little beggars to the
state to raise is far better than committed loving homosexual couples?

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Maybe that would be animal cruelty? Better children suffer than cats.

You have some strange ideas.

I value sarcasm and humor. The mind is very flexible and far ranging,
it doesn't do to mire it in bias and bigotry. Always question what
others tell you, always make up your own mind. Trust no one,
especially yourself - some of the manipulators of human emotion have
become very good at it. Always question authority - power corrupts.

[Dano]

"Barry OGrady" wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...



I can't disagree with you but gay adoption is unfair on the children.
Can you imagine the taunts they must get at school?

=======================================

You must really hate bi-racial families too eh bigot?

Bullying is now restricted to children with gay parents? What about goofy
nerds? Gay children born to hetero parents? Ugly kids? Shy loners?

Get it yet genius? Most of these "mean kids"...bullies...are the product of
straight parents who do a piss poor job of raising decent human beings.
Therein lies the REAL problem

[Barry OGrady]

Post by Barry OGrady
I can't disagree with you but gay adoption is unfair on the children.
Can you imagine the taunts they must get at school?
You must really hate bi-racial families too eh bigot?

Why do you think gay adoption is unfair on the children?

Post by Barry OGrady
Bullying is now restricted to children with gay parents? What about goofy
nerds? Gay children born to hetero parents? Ugly kids? Shy loners?
Get it yet genius? Most of these "mean kids"...bullies...are the product of
straight parents who do a piss poor job of raising decent human beings.
Therein lies the REAL problem

What caused your problem?

=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!

[Dano]

Post by Barry OGrady
I can't disagree with you but gay adoption is unfair on the children.
Can you imagine the taunts they must get at school?
You must really hate bi-racial families too eh bigot?

Why do you think gay adoption is unfair on the children?

Post by Barry OGrady
Bullying is now restricted to children with gay parents? What about goofy
nerds? Gay children born to hetero parents? Ugly kids? Shy loners?
Get it yet genius? Most of these "mean kids"...bullies...are the product of
straight parents who do a piss poor job of raising decent human beings.
Therein lies the REAL problem

What caused your problem?

=====================================

Never got bullied. I was fortunate to be too big to get pushed around. I
was the guy sticking up for weaklings like you.

[Barry OGrady]

Are you saying you and I are one and the same?
You really need to get that sorted before we can communicate.

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady
I can't disagree with you but gay adoption is unfair on the children.
Can you imagine the taunts they must get at school?
You must really hate bi-racial families too eh bigot?

Why are you talking to yourself?

Post by Barry OGrady
Why do you think gay adoption is unfair on the children?

I wrote that first.

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady
Bullying is now restricted to children with gay parents? What about goofy
nerds? Gay children born to hetero parents? Ugly kids? Shy loners?
Get it yet genius? Most of these "mean kids"...bullies...are the product of
straight parents who do a piss poor job of raising decent human beings.
Therein lies the REAL problem

I didn't write that.

Post by Barry OGrady
What caused your problem?

I asked you first.

Post by Barry OGrady
=====================================
Never got bullied. I was fortunate to be too big to get pushed around. I
was the guy sticking up for weaklings like you.

I hope you can sort out your quoting so we can a real neat
conversation.

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[Frank Lombard]

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Post by Barry OGrady
I can't disagree with you but gay adoption is unfair on the children.
Can you imagine the taunts they must get at school?

That wouldn't be the fault of the child or the gay parent. That would be the fault of bigots raising stupid, bigoted, bullying children.

How about adopting them so you can fuck them up the ass and
share them with all your gay community friends!

[Birric Forcella]

That's YOUR phantasy, Frank.

Birric Forcella

[CJK]

There is no excuse for inviting trouble.

Stop blaming the victims, bigot.

Gay couples are not victims, fool.

If they (or their children) are discriminated against or bullied
because of their sexual orientation then yes, they ARE victims.
No one "invites" harassment. Bullies are responsible for their own
behavior, moron.

I'm glad to hear you say that. The next time queers complain that
somebody tossed urine bags at them during a social bullying "gAY pRidE"
parade, I'm going to cite the reasoning in your post as a defense for
anyone who gets caught.

[William December Starr]

Post by CJK

No one "invites" harassment. Bullies are responsible for their
own behavior, moron.

I'm glad to hear you say that. The next time queers complain that
somebody tossed urine bags at them during a social bullying "gAY
pRidE" parade, I'm going to cite the reasoning in your post as a
defense for anyone who gets caught.

And then you can try to convince people who _aren't_ bullies that
"Gay Pride parades are social bullying" is an accurate reflection of
reality rather than a silly bigot soundbite. Good luck with that.

-- wds

[Barry OGrady]

Post by William December Starr

Post by CJK

No one "invites" harassment. Bullies are responsible for their
own behavior, moron.

I'm glad to hear you say that. The next time queers complain that
somebody tossed urine bags at them during a social bullying "gAY
pRidE" parade, I'm going to cite the reasoning in your post as a
defense for anyone who gets caught.

And then you can try to convince people who _aren't_ bullies that
"Gay Pride parades are social bullying" is an accurate reflection of
reality rather than a silly bigot soundbite. Good luck with that.

Most people understand that already.

Post by William December Starr
-- wds

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God is a spirit. 0% proof!

[Dano]

"default" wrote in message news:***@4ax.com...

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:44:43 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:43:29 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

How would you know? Your parents were gay?
Self righteous religious prigs take it upon themselves to indoctrinate
children into the dogma and doctrine of myths and legends about a
being no one has ever seen, who supposedly is responsible for
everything. This mythical being, whilst possessing unimaginable power
and wholesomeness, basks in the adoration of Its subjects; if the
requisite adoration isn't forthcoming the being roasts the subject in
hell - then we praise its mercy and justice.
The being is an asinine bigot themselves and gives us a lot of do's
and don't's, many of which make no sense. The self righteous latch
on to a few of their favorite ones, and justify their own behavior in
the context of some being they invented. Wars are fought to glorify
the one who must be obeyed, children are maimed and killed, people are
tortured.
Yet we blithely go on accepting this stupid parental "right" to
inculcate dependent undeveloped minds with a mythical being's bigotry
and that isn't child abuse of the first order?

It is child abuse possibly equal to gay adoption.

I can't help believing that religion is responsible for the anti gay
bigotry that is so prevalent. While I may not understand
homosexuality personally, I am empathetic and compassionate; and would
deny no one the happiness that I have, simply because I don't
understand what "floats their boat." Give them the benefit of the
doubt and move on - it doesn't concern me - but bigotry and injustice
do concern me.

God is invented to justify the invention of religion to justify
bigotry.

======================================

I don't think that is quite fair either. I'm not religious at all. I'm a
recovering Catholic who left the Church as a teen. I'm highly critical of
many religions and the attitudes of many so-called religious folks. But
these are not homogenous people either. I could point to some very
outstanding humanitarian folks of all religions. I choose to view people
through the prism of their deeds and actions. I've known reprehensible
priests as well as some noble, well meaning ones who did more good in a week
than most humans do in a lifetime...for people regardless of their religion.
That goes for many religious folks. Try to be fair and not blindly label
entire groups. THAT my anonymous friend is nothing but another blatant form
of hatred and bigotry too.

Also...remember a great many homosexuals are also religious.

[unknown]

Post by unknown
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:44:43 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:43:29 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

How would you know? Your parents were gay?
Self righteous religious prigs take it upon themselves to indoctrinate
children into the dogma and doctrine of myths and legends about a
being no one has ever seen, who supposedly is responsible for
everything. This mythical being, whilst possessing unimaginable power
and wholesomeness, basks in the adoration of Its subjects; if the
requisite adoration isn't forthcoming the being roasts the subject in
hell - then we praise its mercy and justice.
The being is an asinine bigot themselves and gives us a lot of do's
and don't's, many of which make no sense. The self righteous latch
on to a few of their favorite ones, and justify their own behavior in
the context of some being they invented. Wars are fought to glorify
the one who must be obeyed, children are maimed and killed, people are
tortured.
Yet we blithely go on accepting this stupid parental "right" to
inculcate dependent undeveloped minds with a mythical being's bigotry
and that isn't child abuse of the first order?

It is child abuse possibly equal to gay adoption.

I can't help believing that religion is responsible for the anti gay
bigotry that is so prevalent. While I may not understand
homosexuality personally, I am empathetic and compassionate; and would
deny no one the happiness that I have, simply because I don't
understand what "floats their boat." Give them the benefit of the
doubt and move on - it doesn't concern me - but bigotry and injustice
do concern me.
God is invented to justify the invention of religion to justify
bigotry.
======================================
I don't think that is quite fair either. I'm not religious at all. I'm a
recovering Catholic who left the Church as a teen. I'm highly critical of
many religions and the attitudes of many so-called religious folks. But
these are not homogenous people either. I could point to some very
outstanding humanitarian folks of all religions. I choose to view people
through the prism of their deeds and actions. I've known reprehensible
priests as well as some noble, well meaning ones who did more good in a week
than most humans do in a lifetime...for people regardless of their religion.
That goes for many religious folks. Try to be fair and not blindly label
entire groups. THAT my anonymous friend is nothing but another blatant form
of hatred and bigotry too.
Also...remember a great many homosexuals are also religious.

Guilty as charged. A religious person can be a good person too. It
happens.

The only absolute statement I would stand by is that it is wrong to
inculcate the young with "religious" beliefs before they are old
enough to reason for themselves. Not to say that you can't or
shouldn't teach ethics and responsibility, just that god, doctrine and
dogma shouldn't be taught (using "taught," when what I experienced was
closer to brainwashing).

I'm a former Catholic too - grammar and high school, and 24/7
religious indoctrination from my mother (or when I couldn't get far
away from her). Mom wasn't really religious.. it was just a tool she
used to manipulate others, but she was probably too stupid or too
biased to see that objectively. She used what worked for her to get
what she wanted.

[Dano]

Post by unknown
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:44:43 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:43:29 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

How would you know? Your parents were gay?
Self righteous religious prigs take it upon themselves to indoctrinate
children into the dogma and doctrine of myths and legends about a
being no one has ever seen, who supposedly is responsible for
everything. This mythical being, whilst possessing unimaginable power
and wholesomeness, basks in the adoration of Its subjects; if the
requisite adoration isn't forthcoming the being roasts the subject in
hell - then we praise its mercy and justice.
The being is an asinine bigot themselves and gives us a lot of do's
and don't's, many of which make no sense. The self righteous latch
on to a few of their favorite ones, and justify their own behavior in
the context of some being they invented. Wars are fought to glorify
the one who must be obeyed, children are maimed and killed, people are
tortured.
Yet we blithely go on accepting this stupid parental "right" to
inculcate dependent undeveloped minds with a mythical being's bigotry
and that isn't child abuse of the first order?

It is child abuse possibly equal to gay adoption.

I can't help believing that religion is responsible for the anti gay
bigotry that is so prevalent. While I may not understand
homosexuality personally, I am empathetic and compassionate; and would
deny no one the happiness that I have, simply because I don't
understand what "floats their boat." Give them the benefit of the
doubt and move on - it doesn't concern me - but bigotry and injustice
do concern me.
God is invented to justify the invention of religion to justify
bigotry.
======================================
I don't think that is quite fair either. I'm not religious at all. I'm a
recovering Catholic who left the Church as a teen. I'm highly critical of
many religions and the attitudes of many so-called religious folks. But
these are not homogenous people either. I could point to some very
outstanding humanitarian folks of all religions. I choose to view people
through the prism of their deeds and actions. I've known reprehensible
priests as well as some noble, well meaning ones who did more good in a week
than most humans do in a lifetime...for people regardless of their religion.
That goes for many religious folks. Try to be fair and not blindly label
entire groups. THAT my anonymous friend is nothing but another blatant form
of hatred and bigotry too.
Also...remember a great many homosexuals are also religious.

Guilty as charged. A religious person can be a good person too. It
happens.

The only absolute statement I would stand by is that it is wrong to
inculcate the young with "religious" beliefs before they are old
enough to reason for themselves. Not to say that you can't or
shouldn't teach ethics and responsibility, just that god, doctrine and
dogma shouldn't be taught (using "taught," when what I experienced was
closer to brainwashing).

I'm a former Catholic too - grammar and high school, and 24/7
religious indoctrination from my mother (or when I couldn't get far
away from her). Mom wasn't really religious.. it was just a tool she
used to manipulate others, but she was probably too stupid or too
biased to see that objectively. She used what worked for her to get
what she wanted.

=============================================

Catholic guilt and fear are great tools. Neither of my parents were
religious at all...but their own indoctrination was strong enough to make my
sister and I keep attending church and CCD class long after they stopped
attending themselves. Apparently the greatest sin is not allowing the
indoctrination of your offspring. There are plenty of things I'd agree with
you about the various religious institutions. Myself? I'm curious about an
existence of God...the ultimate mysteries of the universe. Could just be
there are an infinite number of more advanced beings...each creating and
being created as you go on up the ladder...who for all intents and purposes
are "gods" to those less advanced life forms. Who the hell knows? I'm just
not in a big hurry to find the answers the only way I suspect any of us
will. It's not beyond the realm of possibility there simply are no answers
forthcoming for any of us.

[Barry OGrady]

Post by unknown
On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:44:43 +1000, Barry OGrady

You have that mixed up.

Post by unknown

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:43:29 +1000, Barry OGrady

Post by Barry OGrady

Post by unknown
Indoctrinating children with religious bigotry, fear, and shame is
child abuse.

Gay adoption is far worse.

How would you know? Your parents were gay?
Self righteous religious prigs take it upon themselves to indoctrinate
children into the dogma and doctrine of myths and legends about a
being no one has ever seen, who supposedly is responsible for
everything. This mythical being, whilst possessing unimaginable power
and wholesomeness, basks in the adoration of Its subjects; if the
requisite adoration isn't forthcoming the being roasts the subject in
hell - then we praise its mercy and justice.
The being is an asinine bigot themselves and gives us a lot of do's
and don't's, many of which make no sense. The self righteous latch
on to a few of their favorite ones, and justify their own behavior in
the context of some being they invented. Wars are fought to glorify
the one who must be obeyed, children are maimed and killed, people are
tortured.
Yet we blithely go on accepting this stupid parental "right" to
inculcate dependent undeveloped minds with a mythical being's bigotry
and that isn't child abuse of the first order?

It is child abuse possibly equal to gay adoption.

I can't help believing that religion is responsible for the anti gay
bigotry that is so prevalent. While I may not understand
homosexuality personally, I am empathetic and compassionate; and would
deny no one the happiness that I have, simply because I don't
understand what "floats their boat." Give them the benefit of the
doubt and move on - it doesn't concern me - but bigotry and injustice
do concern me.
God is invented to justify the invention of religion to justify
bigotry.

You are not the first to say that.

=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=
God is a spirit. 0% proof!